- The Journey of Lesley Gouldie
Scaling is fundamental to the growth of any business. It’s a crucial phase that will determine the trajectory of a company moving forward. With that comes the challenges of acquiring financing. Depending on the nature of business, it could be challenging to get support from traditional lenders. In these cases, you have to leverage your assets—and that includes your IP portfolio. With enough knowledge and preparation, you can use IP-backed financing as a growth strategy for business.
Lesley Gouldie joins us to talk about her company’s growth strategy for business and how IP-backed financing factors into the equation. She discusses why Thornhill Medical’s financing strategy focuses on an alternate commercial lender versus a traditional financier. Lesley then tackles the due diligence process in obtaining IP-backed financing in depth. Finally, she imparts critical strategies on leveraging this type of funding to promote growth and attract the right investors.
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[05:04] Lesley’s Journey
Lesley used to be a chartered accountant in South Africa. She then transferred to PricewaterhouseCoopers, where she worked with companies in financial difficulty.
This experience taught her about operations in critical situations and real-time decision-making.
After leaving PwC, she embarked on a series of senior financial and operational positions. Lesley became the CFO of Nelson Education.
Eventually, she decided to be an entrepreneur. Together with a business partner, she procured a platform called Student Awards.
She then exited from that field and entered the world of medical devices. She was the COO of Meditech International and is now Thornhill Medical's CEO.
[06:35] Why IP Matters to Thornhill Medical
Thornhill Medical is an inventor, developer, and supplier of groundbreaking medical devices. Their products are critical in delivering emergency healthcare support.
The company has a superior understanding of the utilization of arterial blood gases. It's where a lot of their IP resides.
They have three commercialized and operating devices: MOVES® SLC™, ClearMate™, and MADM™. Tune in to the full episode to learn more about these!
They also have a vascular reactivity investigational tool called RespirAct® RA-MR™.
IP has been the cornerstone of Thornhill Medical's innovation and foundation for the commercialization of its products.
[08:39] The Basics of Patents
Patent applications can take years and a lot of money and patience.
You don’t necessarily have to have a patent to produce and sell a product.
However, it does protect your company and your innovations as you move forward.
Patents are also a barrier against other companies that want to take a competitive stance in your field.
Sometimes, your company can opt for other methodologies such as trade secrets for sufficient protection.
[09:49] Thornhill Medical’s IP Strategy
Thornhill Medical was founded in 2004. Lesley joined the company in 2015.
There were already patent applications and existing patents before she came on board.
Thornhill Medical's founder, scientists, and engineers have always led the charge on patent development.
“The methodology and the history of our company is we do patents on a lot of our innovations. And that does give us broad protection as we go forward in our commercialization processes.”
[10:44] Thornhill Medical’s Financing Strategy: Debt Financing with Quantius
In addition to standard due diligence, Quantius considered the depth and breadth of Thornhill Medical's IP portfolio.
Quantius then reached a valuation of Thornhill Medical’s IP to support what they needed in their financing strategy.
Thornhill Medical didn’t do a third-party formal valuation. They based their figures on the opportunities addressable markets presented.
[12:49] IP-Backed Financing as a Growth Strategy for Business
Thornhill Medical was at an inflection point. Their growth strategy for business required additional funds.
Lesley first heard about IP financing when she got introduced to Quantius.
Quantius did a thorough job assessing their IP portfolio and overall business.
Thornhill Medical was then able to use the funds as a growth strategy for business.
[14:08] Why They Didn’t Get Financing from a Regular Bank
Thornhill Medical has a lumpy cash flow, meaning their revenue and expenses constantly fluctuate from high to low.
Their primary customers in 2017 were militaries. There were always unpredictable political factors influencing their decision-making.
Debt providers like to have a high level of certainty and predictability in the cash flow.
So, Thornhill Medical had to find a partner who understood the underlying dynamics of their business and their applied value.
[16:56] Debt Financing versus Series A Equity Financing as a Growth Strategy for Business
Thornhill Medical got a Series A equity financing within a year of securing debt from Quantius. Thus, they were able to pay Quantius off ahead of time.
IP-backed financing helped them in their initial growth strategy for business. It allowed them to position themselves more attractively to equity investors.
“By securing the additional financing, we were able to execute on our growth strategy. And by doing that, we were able to attract a series A investment, then secure the next level of financing to help facilitate the next stage of growth.”
Debt financing allows you to maintain the ownership structure. However, you have to ensure you’re not off margin requirements.
Equity gives more flexibility. However, it requires you to give up a percentage of your ownership.
The decision you make depends upon where you are in the growth curve, your comfort level with debt, and the amount of money your company needs.
[20:18] Making the Company More Attractive to Investors
Thornhill Medical went through a series of financing as a growth strategy for business.
They refinanced their traditional line of credit and got a more robust offering in another bank.
These different financings allowed Thornhill to execute their growth strategy for business to become more attractive to investors.
[21:02] Preparations Needed for IP-Backed Financing
It's critical to have your documentation in order. You should also have IP lawyers who can help you maintain a healthy patent portfolio.
“If you're going to have IP-backed financing, you want to make sure you have good, I would call it patent hygiene.”
Also, keep in mind that you still need to have a business plan and the traditional lender requirements in place.
Getting a valuation depends on the nature of your business and the market opportunities.
[23:51] Financial Planning Process During Company Hypergrowth
Thornhill Medical secured a ventilation order from the Canadian government. It boosted the company’s growth by more than 10 times.
They secured a manufacturing partner under favourable agreements to finance the exponential growth and support supply chain constraints.
Companies undergoing hypergrowth must have financial planning tools that can predict the speed of growth.
Furthermore, you must have an understanding of your cash flow. During their hypergrowth stage, Lesley looked at their numbers every single day.
“Any other company going through hypergrowth would need to have solid financial support in place to facilitate close attention to the cash flow cycle with respect to supply chain and then collection from receivables."
[26:47] The Importance of Having a Financial Background as a CEO
Lesley’s role as a CEO is to raise money, refinance the company, and manage financial expectations.
Having an in-depth financial background makes these responsibilities easier for her to execute.
[27:32] Why Startups Should Consider Working with a CFO
Every founder should have a financial partner like a CFO right from the beginning.
Not getting good financial advice at crucial points can lock you into uninformed choices.
“If you do not get good financial advice at important inflection points, you can really box yourself into a corner and be locked into choices that maybe in hindsight, you didn't want to make.”
Thus, founders with no financial experience must work with a part-time CFO or advisor.
They can double-check your decisions and act as a sounding board for your ideas.
[29:53] Lesley’s Final Advice on Scaling Strategically
It's fundamental to have a good team that can make quick, risk-based decisions if you’re scaling fast.
You also need a financial team that would take care of the scale-up financing.
Lesley doubled the size of her team in two weeks when they scaled over the last year.
Lesley Gouldie is the President and CEO of Toronto-based medical technology company, Thornhill Medical. She is a CPA with wide-ranging financial, C-Suite, and M&A experience in the areas of education, technology, and biotechnology. As an established professional, Lesley has over two decades of senior leadership experience.
Lesley leverages her strategic business sense in providing innovative solutions to complex business issues. She uses her in-depth experience in vertically integrated environments to successfully shift business models.
To know more about Lesley, you can connect with her through LinkedIn.
“What the IP-backed financing enabled us to do was to facilitate a growth strategy and continue to develop a pipeline and to develop the business opportunities that ultimately put us in a position to make us more attractive to an equity investor.”
“Debt financing can be preferable because you don't dilute down your ownership structure. But that other hand you have to meet covenants and have very robust reporting and be very conscious of the fact that you can't be off your margin requirements.”
“Equity gives you a lot more flexibility in many respects, depending upon the nature of how that is structured. But also you then have to be prepared to give up a percentage of your ownership for that flexibility.”
“I'm not sure it's worth having a valuation, to be honest. But I think it depends on the nature of the business, how novel your technology is, and how confident you are of the market opportunity.”
“If you're going to scale fast, you obviously want to be surrounded by a really good team.”
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Lesley Gouldie: I think what the IP-backed financing enabled us to do was to facilitate a growth strategy and continue to develop a pipeline and to develop the business opportunities that ultimately put us in a position to make us more attractive to an equity investor.
Christina Sjahli: As a founder or as a CEO, there are many things you have to take into consideration, and one of them is about securing financing. Perhaps at some point in your business cycle, you realized the traditional way of financing may not be the best financing structure to support your business growth. That's when you need to think outside the box. One of the reason why we create this Intellectual Property Podcast Series is to encourage you to think outside the box. We know there are different ways to secure financing. Intellectual property or IP-backed financing is one of them.
Today's guest is Lesley Gouldie, the CEO of Thornhill Medical located in Toronto, Canada. Back in 2017, Thornhill Medical entered into a financing agreement leveraging their IP portfolios. Lesley shares, among others, the reason why Thornhill Medical gravitated toward an alternate commercial lender versus a traditional lender, the due diligence process to obtain the IP-backed financing, how to leverage that financing to promote growth and attract the right investors, the different strategies to finance significant growth. If you are not located in Canada, don't jump to the conclusion that this episode is not relevant to you. IP-backed financing is not specific to Canada. You may find an alternative commercial lender within your region. Take the time to listen until the end because this episode can give you useful tips for businesses globally.
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Now let's find out Lesley's CEO journey. Lesley Gouldie, welcome to Her CEO Journey. It's a pleasure to have you here.
Lesley Gouldie: Thank you. I'm delighted to be here.
Christina Sjahli: So before we start talking about intellectual property-backed financing, I would love to hear your journey from a chartered accountant in South Africa to CEO of Thornhill Medical.
Lesley Gouldie: Well, it has been a long journey, both in distance and in time. I qualified as a CA in South Africa, and I've transferred to the office of PricewaterhouseCoopers in Toronto. And actually spent a lot of my time there working with companies in financial difficulty. That was a opportunity that I really got my taste for operations, upgrading in very challenging and critical situations, as well as really getting a taste for real time decision-making.
I left PwC and then embarked upon a series of senior financial and operational positions, including CFO of Nelson Education, which is, or was a division of Thomson Reuters. I then decided I wanted to become an entrepreneur, and went, and in conjunction with my business partner, secured financing and procured a platform called studentawards.com, and I was the CEO of that until we exited from that. And then I embarked upon the journey into medical devices. I was the COO of Meditech International, and then ultimately joined Thornhill Medical.
Christina Sjahli: The reason I invited you to this Intellectual Property Podcast Series is because I know that at some point, Thornhill Medical entered into an agreement to get financing. But to provide context to my audience first about intellectual property, maybe you can share an overview about Thornhill Medical and how IP matters to your company.
Lesley Gouldie: Thornhill Medical is the inventor and developer and supplier of groundbreaking medical devices that are critical in delivering emergency mobile and remote healthcare support. We're actually a spin-off of the University Health Network. Thornhill Medical actually stands out in the medical technology field by our superior understanding of the utilization of arterial blood gases, thus, eliminating or substantially reducing the bulk waste and cost and logistical burden associated with the devices and delivery of care while optimizing our patient outcomes. This control of the arterial blood gases is where a lot of our IP actually resides. And that is our very special and unique capability.
So our technology that has been commercialized provides a lot of unique and variable solutions, including a device that's called MOVES® SLC™ that is a portable integrated life support system for casualty care during patient transport in field hospitals and in forward surgical suits. We have ClearMate™, which is a pneumatic device providing immediate and effective treatment for carbon monoxide poisoning at the scene of the incident. And MADM™, which is a device that turns any ventilator into an anesthetic workstation. So we have three devices that are commercialized an operating. And then we have an investigational tool called RespirAct® that is used around the world for research initiatives that measure vascular reactivity.
IP has been the cornerstone of our innovation, and certainly has been the foundation for the commercialization of the products that are currently in the market. And is very much I guess, the backbone of our new technology, the RespirAct®, which is currently still a research product.
Christina Sjahli: In terms of IP, a lot of them is probably patents. So how long does it take to get a patents? That can be years.
Lesley Gouldie: That's correct. It takes a long time, and a lot of money, and a lot of patience.
Christina Sjahli: Before you can produce and sell the product, do you have to receive the patent first?
Lesley Gouldie: No, you don't have to. I think there's many products that I'll say that do not have patent protection, but doesn't inhibit the commercialization process. But what it does do is it ultimately protects you and your innovation as you go forward and certainly serves as a barrier to entry for other companies that may want to take a competitive stance around what you're doing. Sometimes, there's other sort of trade secrets or methodologies that provide sufficient protection that you don't really need to go down the patent protection route. But, I guess the methodology and the history of our company, is we do patents on a lot of our innovations. And that does give us broad protection as we go forward in our commercialization processes.
Christina Sjahli: Now, when you joined Thornhill Medical, was there already an IP strategy in place at the time?
Lesley Gouldie: Oh, yes, absolutely. The company was founded in 2004. And I joined at the end of 2015. There were already a lot of patent applications that were either in process of being prosecuted or had already been awarded. So this is something that is very well-entrenched into the DNA of our company, both with our founder who has always led the charge on the patent development, and I guess prosecution, joined by various scientists and engineers that are on the team as well. So it's very much a part of our process and what we do.
Christina Sjahli: So back in 2017, Thornhill Medical enter into a financing deal with Quantius to launch new products, right? And I know this type of financing is very unique. Can you share the uniqueness of this financing deal?
Lesley Gouldie: Yes, I think what was different about that particular financing deal was that Quantius was prepared to give consideration to the depth and breadth and value of our IP portfolio in assessing the amount of financing they would make available and the security that was available then to facilitate that. So we went through a very different due diligence process from them. In addition to the standard due diligence that one would normally go through when one is engaging with the lender in terms of them evaluating both the assets available to secure the debt and the cash flow available to support the repayments of the debt, Quantius did a very in-depth evaluation of our IP portfolio. They did a lot of due diligence on it and were able to come up with a valuation on that IP to help support a financing arrangement for us to support the operations going forward.
Christina Sjahli: So the deal was basically instead of being backed up by a building or land or equipment, the deal was backed up by your intellectual properties.
Lesley Gouldie: That's correct.
Christina Sjahli: Before you even approach the lender, in this case, Quantius, did you have your own valuation?
Lesley Gouldie: We hadn't done a formal valuation by a third party. Our valuation was very much predicated on the opportunity that the addressable markets presented, and was essentially embedded in our go forward business plan or what we thought we could obtain. So when they did their valuation, they obviously came at it from a very different point of view.
Christina Sjahli: So how did you even find out about this type of financing? Did you approach like a bank first at the time or did you consider other financing deal before you find out that IP can be used for financing?
Lesley Gouldie: We were at an inflection point. We needed additional funding. So I was looking for a package of alternative financing, and I was introduced to Quantius. And it was the first time I'd ever heard of IP financing. I don't think, at that time, there was anybody in the Toronto-based market that was doing it. So I was fortunate enough to be introduced to them by a contact of mine. And we met with them and worked with them very closely, to enable them to get a really great understanding of our product portfolio. They spent a lot of time with us understanding our business. They spent a lot of time understanding our projections and our cash flows. They did a very thorough job, not only in assessing our IP portfolio, but in assessing our business as well.
Christina Sjahli: Based on my reading and my research, back in 2017, Thornhill Medical have customer in more than 30 countries. So the company was really growing at the time. But it's not as easy as someone would think for you to get financing from a regular bank. Like you had to go through like a unique type of financing to refinance your business.
Lesley Gouldie: Yeah, I mean, we have a very interesting business to secure financing for. I think the official technical term for it is called lumpy cash flow. So you can have very high levels of revenue and cash, and then very low, and very high, and very low. And you can't always predict accurately when those highs and lows are going to be. Just given the nature of our company is that, our primary customers at that point in time in 2017 were militaries around the world. It's a long sales cycle. There's always political issues influencing decision-making. You're dealing with governments. You're dealing with budgets. So it's very, very unpredictable and notwithstanding a high need and a high demand, the overline sort of macro environment in which our business is operating, at that time, just, it wasn't predictable.
And as you know, when you're dealing with debt providers, they like to have a high level of certainty and predictability in terms of when you're going to get the cash. And if we lend this to you, when are you going to pay us back? And will you have the cash flow to not only service the debt, but to pay back the debt in the timeframe that they were expecting? It's a little bit of feast or famine, which for traditional lenders, and even mezzanine financiers, they like to have steady, predictable cash flows to advance increasing levels of financing, and we were the complete antithesis of that.
So that's why we had to go the alternate financing route to come up with a partner who understood more comprehensively the underlying dynamics of our business and the underlying value that we had and were confident enough to provide that additional tranche of financing to help facilitate the growth to get us to that next level.
It is still the case with IP-backed financing, to be honest, when Quantius evaluated our business, notwithstanding the value that they attributed to the IP, they still did a very thorough job of understanding what our projected cash flow was going to be. Because they wanted to make sure that we could service the debt on an ongoing basis and ultimately meet the repayment terms.
So they had to get comfortable with our lumpy cash flow, to make sure that it met those requirements. So the cash side of our business was still a limiting factor in terms of how much they were prepared to advance us. But at least they were prepared to advance us the funding predicated on an underlying security base of the IP.
Christina Sjahli: Was this financing is like more than five years term?
Lesley Gouldie: I can't remember because we actually, we got the financing, probably within a year of securing that debt, we were able to get equity financing, a series A. So when we got to series A financing, we were able to satisfy the debt and pay it off ahead of time.
Christina Sjahli: So you bring up a really great point over here that I really want to dive into. And I spoke to a lot of female founders for my podcast, and even outside my podcast. And every time, not a lot of female founders believe in getting debt financing have the tendency, either they're going to bootstrap it, or they're going to go with equity financing. Now, I am curious, you mentioned earlier, a year after you enter into a debt financing, which I assume is probably not a small amount, it got to be in millions, then you were able to secure a series A. Can you share a little bit in there, what happened? What made your company become more attractive to investor?
Lesley Gouldie: I think what the IP-backed financing enabled us to do was to facilitate a growth strategy and continue to develop a pipeline and to develop the business opportunities that ultimately put us in a position to make us more attractive to an equity investor. So you need to invest money to grow the company, to expand your footprint, to hire marketing and sales professionals to grow the business. So by securing the additional financing, we were able to execute on our growth strategy. And by doing that, we were able to attract a series A investment, then secure the next level of financing to help facilitate the next stage of growth.
I think every company is different. In certain circumstances, debt financing can be preferable because you don't dilute down your ownership structure. But that other hand you have to meet covenants and have very robust reporting and be very conscious of the fact that you can't be off your margin requirements. Equity gives you a lot more flexibility in many respects, depending upon the nature of how that is structured. But also you then have to be prepared to give up a percentage of your ownership for that flexibility.
So it's a trade-off depending upon where you are on the growth curve and your comfort level with debt and frankly, how much money you need. So I think there's a number of variables that come into play if you want to choose debt financing versus equity. Some businesses, just depending where they are on the growth curve, you will just not get their financing because either you don't have enough assets to provide the security or you haven't generated enough IP to warrant IP-backed financing. So, essentially, equity is the only solution if you can't bootstrap it yourself.
Christina Sjahli: Without the bridge financing, though, that you receive from this IP-backed financing, do you think you're gonna get an attractive offer from an equity investor?
Lesley Gouldie: It's hard to say now in hindsight. What the funding enabled us to do, and at the same time, we were able to refinance our traditional line of credit, we went to another bank, we got a more robust offering, which also gave us more access to cash. That, in conjunction, with the IP-backed financing from Quantius, enabled us to facilitate and execute on a growth strategy that made us a lot more interesting.
Christina Sjahli: In terms of people that are interested in doing IP-backed financing, what do you think they should have in place before they even approach a lender in the space?
Lesley Gouldie: So there's a couple of things. I mean, if you're going to have IP-backed financing, you want to make sure you have good, I would call it patent hygiene. Make sure all of the documentation is in order. Make sure you've got good IP lawyers that have filed everything that needs to be filed and paid all the maintenance fees and done everything that needs to be done to maintain a robust and healthy patent portfolio.
Then on the other side of it, you still need to have in place the business plan. You need to have projections. You need to have a cash flow. All of those things a traditional or conventional lender would require. So just because you have IP, it doesn't mitigate the requirements for having all of the standard requirements that you would have to have in place when you went and approached a schedule a bank or some other mezzanine debt provider. So it's an extra layer of work that you need to have in place that you're going to have the IP, because you just, you want to have everything, all the I's dotted and T's crossed on the patent side before you approach that sector of the market.
Christina Sjahli: Do you think they need to do any valuation at all? Should they hire a third party?
Lesley Gouldie: I mean, we thought we had very valuable IP, just because of the novel technology we have and we are very unique. Frankly, I don't think I would have invested in evaluations that time. We thought there was high value, and I knew that we were going to ultimately be limited or constrained by the cash flow of our business. Regardless, even if the valuation had come back at 10 times smaller than the funding that was ultimately provided, we wouldn't have been able to finance the carrying costs of that.
So I always knew that the limiting factor was going to be our core business, our pipeline, etcetera, etcetera. So I think you just have to be realistic. I'm not sure it's worth having a valuation, to be honest. But I think it depends on the nature of the business, how novel your technology is, and how confident you are of the market opportunity, whether that's what dictates the need for third-party valuation or not.
Christina Sjahli: So earlier in this interview, you said about the lumpy cash flow. I know that Thornhill Medical experienced tremendous growth. Thornhill Medical received ventilation order from the Federal Government of Canada. In a high growth situation like this, plus the type of feast and famine cycle, financial planning process is important. Can you share what are the financial planning process that you have to ensure that revenue growth can still increase profit and cash?
Lesley Gouldie: When we secured the order from the Canadian government, our business grew more than 10 times over the previous period and we had to have the capability to finance the growth. The government actually procured the MOVES® SLC™ device, which not only is a ventilator, but it has the oxygen generation capabilities and patients monitoring intact. So that's the integrated life support system that's part of our commercial portfolio.
So in order to finance that exponential growth, we had to secure a manufacturing partner to support us, to not only support us through the supply chain constraints that were in place; there was a huge global supply chain challenge at that point in time, with everybody changing the same limited components to manufacture ventilators. But we were able to negotiate a very favorable agreement to support the financing of the scale up because there's nothing worse than securing a large order and then you can't finance that because you don't have all of the constructs in place to do that. So we were able to solve that through negotiating a very favorable agreement.
And I think my advice on a go forward basis to any company undergoing hypergrowth is really to have a line of sight on the horizon and really understand how quickly you think the growth is going to happen, and have the financial planning tools in place to predict that, and really understand your cash flow. Because if you don't, you could potentially get caught flat-footed with a large order and insufficient components to manufacture those orders.
Really just having a very, very acute understanding of cash flow and the needs and literally looking at those numbers every single day was how we managed to scale and finance that, and I think any other company going through hypergrowth, would need to have solid financial support in place to facilitate close attention to the the cash flow cycle with respect to supply chain and then collection from receivables. Because you can run into problems very quickly, if you don't understand that.
When we were at the height of securing the order and executing an order, we would be running cash flow numbers daily or sometimes a couple of times a day, depending on how circumstances are changing. So we have a very detailed integrated cash flow that we've been using to manage the cash because that's always been a cornerstone of the business: really understanding on a daily basis what our cash situation is, so that we can make really good decisions.
Christina Sjahli: I know you're a chartered accountant from South Africa, and then you work for PwC. How important is your financial background to your work as a CEO?
Lesley Gouldie: My role of a CEO, a lot of times is raising money, refinancing the company, managing the financial expectations of all of the stakeholders and shareholders. So having that financial background, I think it just makes that piece of the job that much easier and a lot more stress-free, because I'm very confident in that aspect of my role to just facilitate excellent execution of the financial responsibilities of the CEO, having had so much in-depth financial training and experience.
Christina Sjahli: Now, in your opinion, a startup, when should they consider having a financial partner like a CFO, even on a part-time basis?
Lesley Gouldie: I think every founder should have a financial partner right from the beginning. It doesn't have to be extensive. But I think there's a lot of decisions that have to be made on structure and choices. And I think if you do not get good financial advice at important inflection points, you can really box yourself into a corner and be locked into choices that maybe in hindsight, you didn't want to make.
So having a good partner, financial partner doesn't have to be a formal CFO. It could be an advisor or somebody on the board in the initial stages. But I think having, if the founder of the business doesn't have personal financial experience, I think it's imperative that they have an advisor or a part-time CFO working with them right from the beginning, right throughout their journey.
Christina Sjahli: You mentioned choices. Can you elaborate a little bit? What do you mean by choices here?
Lesley Gouldie: Well, it could be anything. It could be as simple as like, if you enter into a lease agreement. What are the terms and conditions? Maybe if you don't have a good financial adviser, you sign up for something and made commitments that ultimately you can't comply with. Or it could be, whether it's equity or whether it's debt. Or what kind of arrangements do you put in place for your employees? Or what kind of contracts do you negotiate with potential customers or partners?
So I always would recommend to a founder, regardless of whether it's startup or the commercialization or further along, just to have a financial partner just to double check what you're doing, to bounce your ideas, and just to make sure that you're not doing something that ultimately will cause your business to be devalued by making a decision that could potentially have been avoided.
Christina Sjahli: So last question for you. Because Thornhill Medical is scaling so fast, and you are at the top of the leadership team, you mentioned earlier financial knowledge or financial acumen is one of the thing that can help founder to scale strategically. What would be your other advice in addition to financial acumen that you can share with my audience?
Lesley Gouldie: If you're going to scale fast, you obviously want to be surrounded by a really good team. And having people that you can rely upon to make good decisions quickly. Because when you are scaling fast, you have to execute quickly. You have to execute well. And you don't always have a lot of time to do it. I'm just speaking from my experience over the last year.
What I would say a lot of perhaps conventional analysis and decision making, we don't necessarily always have the time to do that. So surrounding yourself by a team you can trust, whose judgements you can trust, and has experience to make risk-based decisions, I think, is absolutely fundamental. If you've got those good people, and you've got a financial team as well that's taking care of the financing of the scale up in the background, then you will be able to do an excellent job.
So, for example, when we scaled over the last year, I literally doubled the size of my team overnight, in two weeks. I went through my Rolodex, and I needed people in every single functional area: engineering, production, manufacturing, HR, finance, sales and marketing, and hired what I call the surge team, I brought on close to 30 people. But these were all people I worked with previously, people whose judgment I trusted and who I could trust to work independently in a very unusual set of circumstances. And then, once things settled down, I was able to pay that surge team back and replace those individuals with full-time people. So the people, I cannot stress how important the people are.
Christina Sjahli: So you brought in 30 new people on a full-time basis?
Lesley Gouldie: Yeah, they were working full-time. They were full-time consultants.
Christina Sjahli: Okay.
Lesley Gouldie: They were full-time that came in to support us as consultants for as long as we needed them.
Christina Sjahli: Lesley, thank you so much for being here.
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